The Florida Bar File No.2015-50.675 (15G) Howard Orner  Atty.Stanley Howard Orner  THIS IS IS A CONT.OF www.LHPSagaHowardsubplot.  in www.LHPResponds as it is not up in its own Blog yet.The Florida Bar File No.2015-50.675 (15G) Continued below 

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WWW.LHPRESPONDS.BLOGSPOT.COM RE:HOWARD...... he wants $4,572.40 total for what he 'did'.

8-11-14.Re:Howard's Billing. Not only did Howard 'use up' the $3,500.00 retainer for 'writing that letter', he also billed us and sent the bill email and direct mail wanting an additional $1,072.40 for: previous balance over the $3,500.00 for writing that letter- $284.75, including fees for reading Atty.L.Reynolds reply to his letter and for reading another letter from Atty. Reynolds.  corrections,amount add.                   

So, he wants $4,572.40 total for what he 'did'.He did not mail us or email us a copy of the second letter he charged us for.I didn't even know about it,7-22-14  which was a complaint from Atty L.Reynolds,until 8-7-14, when I had to ask Atty.LReynolds and Howard's legal assistant to finally send me a copy.Both did. Howard should be working for the opposition. Ineffective work and the opposing maneuver of making it too expensive to fight back. From the beginning, with Atty.Yates and the City and law enforcement, the strategy was to make this too expensive for us to fight back.

Orner subplot: opportunistic,overpricing,padding, ineffectiveness, deceit, predatory lawyering

Perhaps the two firms should merge as the result is the same- the City and law enforcement  continue and are protected and we pay a lot of money.

DECEIT,OVERPRICING

There was and is no reasonable expectation or assumption that Orner or any Atty. in that situation on a Case,on going, not new, would use that Retainer up on a letter.

This is predatory lawyering and deceit. We,as clients,and no clients would ever hand over to an Attorney $3,500.00 to write a preliminary letter for damages in an ongoing legal situation with so much spent on the Case already.This was not overtly started or even hinted at or implied. Otherwise the money would not have been handed over. There were no innuendos that Howard would ever use up the retainer on that letter or try to.

IN THIS LETTER PACKET WAS:

This letter packet consisted of a copy of the Settlement Agreement which I  provided for him,which he already overcharged us $17,000,00 for his work finalizing it- It could not be enforced. He would not help us after he got the $17,000,00 unless we paid him more money

IN THIS LETTER PACKET WAS: A previous letter he had written which I provided for him which he already overcharged us $1,500.00 for,basically complaining that the Sett. agree.-was disregarded- it did not work no benefits for our predicament

 IN THIS LETTER PACKET WAS:The Letter to opposing atty.which was my concept which he watered down.He and his Atty.Assoc. could not think of what to do.We did not expect this letter or letter packet to be more than  $500.00. After over five weeks with no results, I called the firm and complained and Howard finally called to discuss the letter and I suggested the civil rights violation over a ten year period,which he used. watered down.

Inclusion in Bar complaint:Letter Packet to Cirullo/ Reynold's reply/Howard's billing/second letter from Reynolds and my reply to that.And,relevant emails posted on blog.                       To be cont.

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If it weren't for the wide audience emailing started in the beginning of the ninth year of all this, the only thing that worked,works.....................The situation remains unresolved.

Please be reminded, trying to lie about, vilify,blame,or slander this residency to try to cover up the mess law enforcement and the City made out of this, won't be tolerated and won't work.This residency had and will have will its own history and will not be permanently  and negatively defined by the S/Ws cop years by people trying to clear themselves. LHP will be defined this way.  

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8-12-14.Re:'Overpriced 'Lawyering
'8-12-14.Orner/ Orner and Orner

Please refund $3,000.00 of the $3,500.00 retainer, which you 'used up and want more'.

Actually, please return two thirds of all the monies paid to you during the course of this Case, $17,000.00 plus $1,500.00,plus $3,000.00 of the $3,500.00.

If you want a filed suit, that can be accomplished and you can explain to a Judge what all this overpricing was about.
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Orner subplot: opportunistic,overpricing,padding, ineffectiveness, deceit, predatory lawyering

Perhaps the two firms should merge as the result is the same- the City and law enforcement  continue and are protected and we pay a lot of money.

8-18-14Fw: Howard/Bar Complaint
8-18-14.Re:Filing/unique LHPSometime this week,we are filing a complaint with the Bar Assoc. regarding Howard Orner. The Bar wants to help with the filing.When you are that desperate,anyone looks good,and any little bit of help seems like a big deal.This also brings up the point as to why were we so desperate, and how did this get so out of control. LHP's dealings with Attorneys and legal issues are questioned. I certainly don't know why LHP did what it did.It is completely not understandable. At least LHP is unique in the sense of making a big mess no one could ever think of. Really unique.The S/Ws moved Jan.2012and that leverage is over.It took about two years of the S/Ws being gone to feel mostly reassured that part was over and the City wouldn't at least overtly act up with their own harassment or backlash.That was hefty and effective leverage.To be cont.

Introduction-original and in Reply to his Reply: 

11-2014.Re:Atty.Howard Orner Complaint- 

The Atty. Howard Orner association with this legal situation/Case spanned nine years.

Over the course of nine years, Atty.Howard Orner overcharged $22,000.00 for little, ineffective legal work on a Case requiring a minimal amount of time and a minimal amount of expertise.$17,000.00 was overcharged and overpaid to continue a Case, with refusal to assist afterwards when it was ineffective, unless more was paid. Following, $1,500.00 was overcharged and overpaid to write a letter, ineffective,with no followup.

Last April14,2014, a $3,500.00 Retainer was paid to file for damages and reimbursement regarding the same Case. Atty.Orner said this was a $7,500.00 job which he was doing for $3,500.00 as this was the same situation with the same client. $500.00 more would have to be paid for filing fees when the Case was filed. But first, he would write a letter. He did write a letter, including in it, the Settlement Agreement he had already overcharged and was overpaid $17,000.00 for and the letter he had already overcharged and was overpaid $1,500.00 for. He then billed and used all the Retainer money for this letter packet and demanded more money to be paid for this letter packet, $283.75. He also demanded and billed $827.75  more to be paid for reviewing the short reply for the letter packet and for communicating with me. $1,111.50 over the $3,500.00 used up Retainer.

The basic premise of the letter and legal approach was my suggestion which Atty.Orner watered down, making it less effective.I did bring up and discuss this watered down version with him, but finally agreed to the final drafting of the letter as he had more knowledge and expertise in maneuvering a Case through the system.This does bring up the point that Atty.Orner did very little work on this.

 All this has been explained in the Blogs and sent blogged emails. It was not known at the time of paying this latest Retainer, 4-12-2014, that Atty. Orner was coming off Suspension. When it was decided to call the Bar after the 2014 situation and the internet was checked, that Suspension was noticed. Basically right after or shortly after Suspension, Atty.Howard Orner held that office visit and proceeded to do the above stated.

1-20-15.Re:Bar Complaint.

I filed a Complaint with the Bar Association regarding Attorney Howard Orner -over billing, lack of work,etc., in my own layman's terms. He asked for a 30 day extension to reply. I got it today- a lot of inaccuracies and diverting tactics which I counteracted. Boot Camp- LHP decade plus mess for that stuff. I don't know what will happen as I don't know the Bar Standards. Actually, any Attorney could see us coming.We were just too desperate for help.

None of this would have happened if this residency had gotten some sensible help.I'll see how much of this I can post.To be cont. 

1-26-15/Re:The Florida Bar File No.2015-50.675 (15G) Cont.:

1-26-15.I spoke on the phone with the newly elected Mayor G.Troast before he took Office, and he said he thought  it wasn't the City's fault that our Attorney's fees were so high, and I replied........

I do not think he would ever create or continue a mess like that. That was a very different ruling situation.

Now, some things to straighten out, - 

The  LHP police and the City of LHP belligerently enabled, protected, backed up, lied for and about, covered up, and cleared the S/Ws for a decade plus, with no explanation for such bizarre behavior, while the S/Ws carried on outrageously. No one could put up with all that. The only way to stop them was within Circuit Court.Their pounding Attorney just wanted to win. He didn't care what the issues were.He avoided going to issue in the lengthy depositions, but he had run out of delays to stop from going to Trial. In that arena, the S/Ws never said they didn't do it all.They just gloated and taunted out of that arena that we couldn't stop them, and we couldn't, not in LHP.  So, we hired Howard Orner. It was very obvious we were really desperate. Again, no one could live like that. And he fleeced us, charging us five time more than he should have. He did get a Result which should have ended the problem, but the LHP police and the City of LHP again thwarted and defied this.The situation continued out of control and intolerable by anyone's standards and Howard Orner would not help us until we paid him more money.

So, there were two situations, the LHP police and the City of LHP belligerently enabling, protecting, backing up, lying for and about, covering up, and clearing the S/Ws, and Howard Orner fleecing us to stop it. I did praise his initial work. That actually was the only real help we got. However he did fleece us and used up our monetary supply to further try stop this.

The S/Ws moved and sold, Jan.2012, and the leverage was off, and that was hefty leverage.

So, in April 2014, we again, after many phone calls, met with Howard Orner, as clients who had invested with him, and he fleeced us again. And that was the last straw with him.

It's not a good idea to try to misuse some enabling, agenda based, self protecting, attempted summaries.

It was the LHP police and City of LHP 's fault  for the mess and the fact that we had to go running desperately to Attorneys.

I did praise and unfortunately defend Howard Orner as he did give us a Result and some desperately  needed help.But he did fleece us in a way not consisted with Attorney fair play. 

Thank you.

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2-11-15 #(1)CORRECTED NO.: The Florida Bar File No.2015-50.675 (15G) 

#(2)'Nothing wrong ever happened here.' 2-11-15.Re:Attorney Contact  2-11-15. Did Attorney Stanley Howard Orner or his Firm have any contact with any members of the LHPPD or the members of the City of LHP, on or off the record, in Dec. 2014 and in Jan. 2015? This is important as to Atty. Conduct in an Atty. Conduct Investigation. The first statement in his Reply/Defense is suspect, as it was never used by him before in any capacity or in the final Documents.This was tried/attempted to be used by the LHPPD and the City initially, but it was flimsy, false and didn't hold up. However, at any given time, the LHPPD or the City can be expected to misinform, lie,or slander. He may have just studied what was said and used it and may not have contacted in the past two months. However, the question should be answered. It probably won't unless formally asked. Basically, the unethical and insulting,  'Nothing wrong ever happened here.' is the closest thing to LHP transparency regarding the LHP decade plus mess.

The basic lawyer complaint is over billing with other factors.He was hired at the end of the sixth year when the S/Ws were at their most ferocious and vicious and their Atty. was still pounding, winning being his most important drive.

It was very, very evident how desperate we were.The S/Ws were unstoppable, which they screamed at us reminding us, with their police backup enabling, protecting, clearing, and covering up for them and the City backing both parties. And after putting up with all that intolerable, outrageous, protected harassment and stalking, see Audio, we were being screamed at that they wanted money from us and were going to sue us. And they sure had backup from the police and City. We were really desperate for any kind of help.The slander was always there.The rest has been explained in the emailings on the Blogs.

#(3)It was not known by this residency until into the ninth year of this mess how embedded the Kruteks were with the inner workings of this City, socially and with civic events.The Kruteks are the longest dwelling neighborhood residents witnessing the S/Ws' behavior for all those years before this residency was targeted by the S/Ws and for all those years after and while this residency was targeted by the S/Ws. It still seems very,very strange how with all that visible and audible outrageous behavior, and with all that City contact and socializing, that the situation was not 'gotten right'. Mr. Krutek rudely, immediately, and noticeably snubbed this residency when the targeted harassment and stalking against this residency started along with the ongoing typical S/Ws' family fights continuing, while noticeably keeping contact with everyone else, including the S/Ws. Something strange happened at the beginning of all this. It has already been stated that Mr. Krutek was/ is not smart enough to be involved in something of such major consequence to this residency

#(4)If the Former Head Administrator's wife is not happy with all this residency's writings, imagine how unhappy she would be if all the events of the decade plus happened to her. Showing up after the very, very horrific first five and a half years of the stalking and harassment, in her C.O.P. uniform and C.O.P. Patrol car, and announcing "Well, you should have moved!" needs no further explanation. LHP Commissioner S.Johnson appears unethical in her attempts to explain and cover up the mess for years. Maybe she should just not run again.

Note:It must also be reminded with regard to the emails, Blogs, Website with Audio, that the behavior of the S/Ws and the LHP Police and the City, were so outrageous, over the top, egregious, etc., that the wide audience emails, Blogs, Website with Audio, etc., had to be done to such a degree that the S/Ws, LHP police, and the City would stop and never start this up again. None of this should have happened. 

Anyone just concerned that this makes the City 'look bad 'when this is brought up is insulting. -especially when it comes from those continuing and covering it up.It is very nauseating when someone complains about the emailing as if that was the problem, instead of focusing on the problem which caused all the work/emailings, etc., to to stop it all. None of them could have put up with any of this for even a month.It is particularly galling when there are complaints about the emailings from those who continued and covered up the problem. They know who they are.The S/Ws took over an entire City with their outrageous demands.It was like the perfect storm -the S/Ws with their outrageous demands, the Hawkins/Oh bizarre police policies, and LHP, the perfect City to do this in.The S/Ws and the Attorneys were the winners.The S/Ws had years and years of exercising their sociopathic drives and left the City cleared, being able to tout a really stupid letter written by the Chief in the ninth year(check date) of their targeting. With all the complaints from this residency about the S/Ws demanding paperwork so they could take it to other agencies to cause trouble, you would have thought he would have been careful about what he just handed them in print. And, the Attorneys got paid while LHP belligerently put on its circus, controlled by by the S/Ws.

Anyway, the answer to the first question?#(2)...............I really hope it is factually a no.Who needs more complications?To be cont.

Included in 2-11-15 email: REPEAT QUESTION:1-26-15. Re: Attorney Howard Orner1-26-15. Did Attorney Howard Orner ever contact the City of LHP or the LHP Police in the last two months?-on or off the record?The initial statement in his Reply to the Bar is very,very, strange. With all his now noticeable conning, that statement was never, ever made by him or his Firm and that avenue was never taken by him.That avenue/ lie/ misinformation was used or tried to be used constantly by the LHPPD and the City of LHP to try to get out of the mess they made out of this whole thing.It was used so extensively as to constitute slander.It is really dumb for the Attorney on the Case to try use it now but he really is sloppily trying to get out of this. Did he contact the City or is he now trying to copy the City?I don't know what really constitutes a Bar Violation.However, this residency learned the hard way that the police have sovereign immunity and a City has deep pockets. And the City Groupies and City Gossip Squad will keep up the slander.

The S/Ws really knew they were in the right City.To be cont.

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